MGS2-underated

HommyGfunk123 · 07-22-2002, 10:18 AM

I've always been bafeld by peoples nature to try and knock down the guy on top. I think this is very true for MGS2. This game's production values to me are stil unparaleled. Hell-MGS2 is the only game more cinematic than the origonal IMO. When you have all that effort and quality in the story, and prduction the game is pretty much made for me. I still play through this game and the technical beuty alone is enough to keep me engrosed. People whine about to many cut scenes but I found every single one entertaining. When you watch a movie you dont go-jese this over an hour strait of just sitting and watching, I gonna have to leave half way through. And if your responce to that is-"well I want to play my games, not watch them" this is what I have to say-What did you expect?! MGS2 easily has more gameplay than the origonal and you still whine likr you weren't expecting a full blown story driven expierience. That's THE REASON I bought it. I played the demo and expierienced the fantastic new gameplay, and got used to it till I wasn't very amazed by it long before I bought the thing. So why is it that people always say that the game is brought down by too many cut scenes? And the other thing, where are all the MGS lovers? The game obviously sold fantastically, and I dont think Ive read one bad review about it. I think with the shallow, but extreme novelty blow out fun of GTA3 multiplyed the back lash MGS2 recieved. But in 5 years are peopole gonna still play and/or talk about GTA3-no. I really want to talk about MGS2's ending though. Allot of people seemed to think it sucked, or just didnt really give enough, but I disagree. I think there were some really clasic moments right aroud the finally, and from the final boss on it was kind of just about finishing it, and getting closure on everything. However I cant beleve how under enthusiastic people were about the VERY end. That just sent chills down my spine. MGS2 is clasic. Its something Ill at least be abel to go back to for a while. I still play the prequel sometimes.

Weebot · 07-22-2002, 05:24 PM

Underrated?

Gamepro: 5 of 5
IGN: 9.7 of 10
Gamecritics: 9.0; 9.0; 9.5
PSM Magazine: 10 of 10
GIA: 5 of 5
Gamespy: 9.7 of 10
EGM: 9.5 of 10
Gamespot: 9.6 of 10

Oh please...everyone practically fell over themselves for this game. Nothing but a love-fest for Kojima.

Backlash is different from being underrated or overrated, mind you.

bigpicture · 07-22-2002, 05:29 PM

metal gear solid 2 is nothing compared to metal gear solid. story wise.
gameplay wise your arguement is strong.
you cant win with an annoying main carachter.
a lesson that should have been learned from ZOE
and a lesson that should have been heeded by FF10

HommyGfunk123 · 07-22-2002, 05:57 PM

I mean by THE PEOPLE man. They're all like ooooo my brain cant handle all those big words, Id rather go blow my self up 500 times in a row in GTA3. Regardles of the actual scores, wherever I go I always here people whining about that.

HommyGfunk123 · 07-22-2002, 05:59 PM

MGS2 easily eaquels MGS1 story wise. The first game had one real great plot twist and then an overall really compelling story told in a very wonderful way. MGS2 is so much more complex and ambitous. It isnt nearly as strait foward. Plus the suprises were better, and the drama more powerful.

Rabid Penguin · 07-23-2002, 03:53 PM

i had MGS2 researved and got it the day it came out, yesterday i deleted all of my save files for it, im gonna start fresh...thats how much i love it...

HommyGfunk123 · 07-24-2002, 12:00 PM

god i LOVE that game!

Mike Doolittle · 07-24-2002, 12:24 PM

I thought it was a good game, but overrated.

My main beef is that there was so much emphasis on storytelling and cinematics that the gameplay didn't seem fully developed.

By the end of the game, you've accrued tons of weapons and items but a very limited number of situations to use them. The game doesn't give you enough opportunities to use the box, the assault rifles, the rocket launchers, that sort of thing. Sometimes you'd literally sit through a ten-minute cutscene only to walk through one or two areas and sit through another long cutscene. There are so many awesome gameplay situations that could arise with the mechanics because they are absolutely amazing, but Kojima should have made the game itself longer. If you skip the cutscenes, the game can easily be completed in a few hours.

I also thought that the alerts were overdone. If you're spotted, you might as well just start over because you will almost certainly get killed.

HommyGfunk123 · 07-24-2002, 06:33 PM

I see what you mean, but the nature of the game play is to avoid using that kind of heavy weaponary. I still found plenty of places to use most of the weapons though. Mostly since you get a silencer for the assult rifels. That makes it allot of fun. I think I used the gernade launchers allot to on the cyphers. But I think the best gameplay moment in the game was the sniper situation. It was so fun, and on top of that listening to what everyone was saying with the microphone was awsome. One of the reasons I love this game so much is because it behaves like the real world. I've heard a few rediculous complaints that everyone says the game is so realalistic but that have crazy immortal flying vampires without explanation, but people who say this are missing the idea of the realism. Hideo said that the best advise for making a game are to make the world interactive. Relise that for every action there is a reaction. It shouldnt be so amazing that when you punch a locker it dents, because regardles of where you are the locker is going to dent when you punch it. And thats where the realism comes from. It should be a standered. And Hideo made MGS2 as if it were a standered. Because once you have that world that reacts realalistically you can have the characters in it do watever you want them to. Weather they should have crazy umbelevable luck or the ability to fly around. Thats where MGS2 can be misleading in the impresion it gives people who havent played it. Maybe thats where some of the backlash came from.

HommyGfunk123 · 07-24-2002, 06:37 PM

"I also thought that the alerts were overdone. If you're spotted, you might as well just start over because you will almost certainly get killed."

I thought this was kind of true for the origonal, but I really had no trouble at all with it. If anything I heard repeativly that the AI sucks, even though it puts most games' enemy AI in the same genre and elswhere look pathetic. All you really have to do is run in a locker. But the first time you get caught in the second part with Riaden and the soilders start calling for back up, or they send in a search unit, it really freaked me out. Its a very tence game.

bigpicture · 07-25-2002, 01:16 PM

everything that you can say about the gameplay.
feh!
as a sneaking/stealth game nothing beat tenchu
in metal gear stealth is only suggested and not that hard.

Rusted_Halo · 07-25-2002, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by HommyGfunk123
I see what you mean, but the nature of the game play is to avoid using that kind of heavy weaponary.

ahh..c'mon now..you can't do that to someone..it's downright cruel to hand me an AK and a Stinger missile and tell me NOT to use it..it's like givin someone the keys to a ferrari and sayin: "keep it under 40"

and then the codec screens..*sigh*..would everybody pleeease shut up so i can cap somebody?! For anyone with a hardon for gunplay MGS2 was an excercise in sexual repression..sure i could have just thrown myself to the wolves once in a while (which i did), but i hate having to take a break from the standard gameplay just so i can enjoy the game. I would have been pacified if they'd let me use the sword for the entire game..and i won't lie, that very extra is the reason i'm planning to buy Substance

but i do love MGS..just at times i wish there were a bit more scripted action sequences..those are always amazing.

snaismith01 · 07-26-2002, 05:25 AM

As said by Rusted_Halo, there is of course Mgs2 Substance for those (wrong) people who said that there were too many cut-scenes (and while I'm on that, how come no-one complains about FFX having as much cutscenes as gameplay?). New Snake Missions, which include the amazing skateboarding bits using the engine of Evolution Skateboarding, 100 Alternate missions (has everyone here seen Snake in a tux!) 200 VR Missions and Sons of Liberty on the other side of the double sided CD. Also there is new skins, extra characters, a first person mode on what I think is VR and playing the Ninja using Raiden. Which is coming for PC Xbox and PS2. All seen at E3. And no I'm not from Konami.

HommyGfunk123 · 07-26-2002, 04:32 PM

You can always use really whatever weapon you want on boss-s, and there are PLENTY of bosses in MGS2. Other wise substance will definatly satisfy your needs.

Rusted_Halo · 07-26-2002, 08:22 PM

i'm thinkin VR missions G..that's where i'll get my fix..there's also those mock-up, non-VR missions..isn't there suppose to be one where Meryl is the boss? Anyway, it sounds amazing.