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Old 05-25-2011, 12:38 PM   #1
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What's your Perfect 10?

I've been musing over Richard's Portal 2 review, and his perfect 10 out of 10 score. Before I go further, I should say that this isn't a pop at Richard in any way; that's his score for the game and that's cool. I haven't played it myself.

But I was thinking that of even my favourite games, I personally wouldn't give most of them anywhere near a ten. Some of them would struggle to get a seven, to be honest. I have maybe one game I can think of that could be considered a ten.

What about you, if you were to score a game a perfect ten, what game would it be, and why? If you couldn't in all conscience award a ten to any game, why not?
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Old 05-25-2011, 03:07 PM   #2
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

Lotsa people seem to think a 10 is absolutely perfect and perfection cannot be achieved thus there is no 10. My question is: why don't you make a scale from 1 to 9 then

Games I would award a 10 without hesitation:

UFO - Enemy Unknown
I repeat here what I wrote at the recent podcast: I never felt afraid for any character in a game before UFO. I was getting used to the heroes of the game being more powerful but at least as powerful as the opponent. I was used to the enemies in a game to use simple patterns, with Mega Man being already rather complex (lol). UFO turned this upside down. The invading aliens were cunning, unpredictable and physical superior to the men and women I commanded. When a grenade blew up three of my soldiers I felt like I let them down. Everytime a sniper killed one of my scouts without me seeing him I felt helpless. The first time I finished a mission without loosing anyone was a triumph! When I invaded Cydonia and my best soldier was mind controlled and blew himself and 2 others up I was in shock. When I finished the mission after all I felt like I'm on top of the world.

X-Wing and it's successor Tie Fighter
Some consider Freespace 2 as the pinnacle of space combat games. I think it's these two. The story and cinematics build up the sweet Star Wars feel (pre episode 1, when Star Wars was still sweet ). The gameplay blew Wing Commander out of the water. It was easy to learn but got tough as nails soon and managing engines, shields and weapons was necessary. Finally managing to get to the run at the death star and blowing that damn thing up was just awesome.

Demon's Souls
Best game of this console generation (yes, I said that quite often ). When my main complaint is that some of the fights could have been "a bit more awesome" there is just not much to complain about

Red Baron
Why don't we have more WWI flight sims? Red Baron was such a great game! I can't count the hours I spent over WWI France in dogfight after dogfight after dogfight. Easy to learn with controls that were intuitive and gameplay nicely placed between sim and fun. It also had a campaign mode which was a lot of fun, leading up to the point where von Richthofen himself issued a challenge!

Master of Orion 2
Civ in Space. Do I need to say anything else? Space makes everything better, so what could top Civ in space?
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:47 PM   #3
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

I second X-Com

also

Sid Meir's Alpha Centauri
Deus Ex
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:07 AM   #4
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

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Lotsa people seem to think a 10 is absolutely perfect and perfection cannot be achieved thus there is no 10. My question is: why don't you make a scale from 1 to 9 then
That's what I've thought in the past, to be honest. There is no game I've played that I would give a 10, personally. There are a few games worthy of a 9 this generation though.

Fallout 3, Forza 3, Half Life 2 (not a strictly current gen game, but it's on the Orange Box, so good enough...), maybe Split/Second.

Actually, that's about it, thinking hard about it. The only other games I would give such a high score is Morrowind and KoTOR.

For reference about what goes on in my twisted little mind, Dues Ex would be an 8 (although damn close to a 9), and Portal would be a 4.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:06 AM   #5
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

Hmm, off the top of my head and certainly depending on the direction the wind is blowing today:

Resident Evil 4
Oblivion

And nostalgia probably has something to do with theses being 10's in my book:

Legend of Zelda
Phantasy Star 1
Herzog Zwei
Ultima 4
Heroes of Might and Magic 3
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:47 PM   #6
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

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Lotsa people seem to think a 10 is absolutely perfect and perfection cannot be achieved thus there is no 10. My question is: why don't you make a scale from 1 to 9 then
Yeah, I would say that a 10 has to be perfect, but I do think perfection can be achieved in rare cases.

The one game I think has achieved this is Demon's Souls. It's flawless. The only thing I can possibly think of that could have been improved was the ending, but even then that's a personal thing (I'd have liked a cinematic of the fog lifting, and a voiceover like at the start), and is in keeping with the subversion of the genre present in the rest of the game (difficult lead-up, sometimes easy bosses).

Bold ideas, fantastic setting, great gameplay, lots of depth, flawlessly executed.

I wouldn't give the rest of my top 5 a ten though, which begs the question, should you give the games you've enjoyed the most a perfect score, even though they may be games that are ugly/flawed/only a mother could love?

Top 5 games (based on amount of sheer pleasure derived):

1. Mount & Blade
2. Fallout 3
3. Demon's Souls
4. Deadly Premonition
5. Err, I don't have a fifth..maybe Oblivion.

I haven't played many games that are over five years old though, so I'm a bit limited in my selection.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:32 PM   #7
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

Looks like i'd give much more "perfect" scores.
I'd say 10 are right when i either don't see important negatives, or really none at all, or it's so much fun that i easily can ignore some flaws.

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2
Mafia
Max Payne
Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Portal
Psychonauts
Resident Evil 4
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Metroid
Team Fortress 2
The Legend Of Zelda: The Ocarina Of Time
TrackMania Nations/United Forever
World In Conflict: Complete Edition
World of Goo

As you might notice, i am no nostalgia fan, so chances are high that this list will look different in 10 years.
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Old 05-30-2011, 01:44 PM   #8
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

Just started playing it again on Saturday and now I'm convinced

Vanquish
belongs on my list of 10 as well. Such an extraordinary game. It lets me do things that would only be possible in cutscenes (or QTE at best) in other games. For example sliding into one enemy for a melee attack, emptying a clip of the assault rifle into 3 more robots in slow motion and finishing off the last one in close combat before doing a backflip towards a wall to have a smoke...
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Old 06-12-2011, 10:51 PM   #9
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

Such a loaded question!

I am inclined to say Super Mario 64 would still be considered a perfect 10. Still has a slight edge over Galaxy in my book (why the hell can't Mario punch anymore!?). Only real negative is the graphics, like most N64 games, have not held up too kindly.

World of Goo may also get a "perfect" nod from me. Love the style, the dark humor, the gameplay, everything. So much about this game was just done right; I really can't think of a negative about this gem.

There may be others, but things change on a daily basis so ask me in a couple weeks!
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:40 AM   #10
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

Few games can ever approach 10 simply because it would take too much time and resources to create those games. Human beings are exceedingly limited.

I prefer just naming games that approach greatness in all aspects rather then raw scores, there are only in reality three scores: 1) Avoid, 2) meh, and 3) play it.

Every game you have ever played or have played all the way through falls into the 1-3 scale, so calling a game a "perfect 10" is nonsense.

You should always judge a game by whether you have the urge to go back to it years after you've played it.

One of the few games that approach "perfect 10" is civilization, it is such well designed experience (until Civ 5 that is). Even though every civ is not perfect all of them have that "just one more turn" quality to them.

I always measure a games worth by it's replayability, raw scores are meaningless if you go through the game once or twice and then NEVER touch it again. That means that something about the games design is fundamentally broken.

Any real lasting game that is good you want to play it again. Few games approach this.

A better question to ask players is - what games do you replay the most? That should give us insight that raw scores/reviews don't give us.
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Old 08-01-2011, 12:50 PM   #11
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You should always judge a game by whether you have the urge to go back to it years after you've played it.
I almost never replay games, re-read books or re-watch movies. Thus I don't care for 'replayability'. I want new experiences, not repeat already experienced ad infinitum. Because of that I strongly disagree with this statement. "Replayability" has nothing to do with how good a game is and is something hugely overrated among gamers. It's the same weird concept as judging the quality of a game by the amount of hours that can be spent on it.
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"Replayability" has nothing to do with how good a game is and is something hugely overrated among gamers.
Depends on the game (and the individual gamer).
A racing game has to have a ton of replayability since the whole purpose of the game is to enjoy replaying 2 or 3 tracks with a bazillion of cars that handle not that differently.
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I almost never replay games, re-read books or re-watch movies. Thus I don't care for 'replayability'. I want new experiences, not repeat already experienced ad infinitum. Because of that I strongly disagree with this statement. "Replayability" has nothing to do with how good a game is and is something hugely overrated among gamers. It's the same weird concept as judging the quality of a game by the amount of hours that can be spent on it.
I couldn't disagree more. Personally, if I really enjoy something (be it a video game, movie, book, heck food, etc.) then I want more. Often on the second go-round I find things that I never would have found the first time.

Liken it to a great restaurant: "man that was good, too bad I'll never go back again"

Too each his own.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:57 AM   #14
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Re: What's your Perfect 10?

So you'd play a puzzle or adventure game 10 times over, despite knowing the solutions after the first time around?

Everything gets stale when experienced too often. Or in other words: I wouldn't go to a Michelin-starred restaurant every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner (even if I could afford it), since I would stop being able to enjoy it.

The only games I find myself replaying are strategy games that allow for a variety of different approaches to a situation. Like Civ2 where my civilization can win by peaceful or warmongering means. I didn't replay the singleplayer campaign of Starcraft 2 however, since every mission is 'meant' to be played with the unit that has been introduced in this mission (or you just power through with stim-marines and medics, that always works).

Oh yeah, and sports games. You can't change that much about football (i.e. 'soccer') in each new game

But following the logic above, World of Warcraft, Madden and Fifa are perfect 10s because you can play them over and over, while portal, the longest journey, the dig, mass effect, monkey island, professor layton and pretty much every narrative driven game on the planet are deeply flawed, since it doesn't make much sense to play them over and over again?
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Old 08-02-2011, 06:34 AM   #15
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...are perfect 10s because you can play them over and over...
You stated it has nothing to do if a game is good. I'd say it's definitely not the only factor but it has something to do if some gamers will like it more.
When for them replaying them or simply enough/more content is important.
I enjoyed Limbo. It had a brilliant atmosphere in the first minutes, but compared to the hours of atmosphere Vampire Bloodlines offer.... More good content is better than short good content. As long as the goodness is sort of equal of course. And content i want to enjoy more than once- it's not like adventure fans don't replay their deity Monkey Island every now and then- are offering content that's better than content that is after the first experience depleted.
Limbo was great but replaying it completely never came to my mind though it's short and would be easily done while going through the 30 something hours of VB is something i want to do a third time with another class some day. I have to really get sunk into a game and a few hours can't offer that. Once, ok, very ok, but for replaying it has to be longer.
Though a Sixth Sense game were depletion would have an other impact than just going through the usual blabla the average game offers, is a whole other thing. But then it's not the same level of good.

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