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Old 04-30-2012, 05:45 PM   #16
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Re: Mount & Blade

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Strangely, I got a mail with your full post, but no sign of it here!
I'm pretty sure no mod deleted it, as the others surely would have told me
I guess it was some freak error when posting...
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I think you'll have to give him more than a village to keep him happy.
I gave him a city.

After the Khanate got slowly pushed back inch by inch, I started going on the offensive. I ordered Lord Clais to raid villages, while I would intercept any force trying to attack him. I also only took some Swadian Knights and Khergit Lancers with me, while I put all my other elite troops to my garrison. The numbers were filled up with recruits from Vaegir and Swadia, since Khergit troops under my command started revolting due to low morale. I lost quite some of my fresh troops, but those who survived went up the ranks rather quickly. As soon as troops would reach a very high status I'd put them on garrison and recruit new faces. A lot of influx also came from freed prisoners. I continued for some time with skirmishes against smaller armies, until I got enough able troops to march against Ichamur. Clais was raiding a nearby village, drawing attention to himself when I made my move. With all my elite troops I crushed the defenders and the city was mine. Since I am too busy with war I don't want to deal with managing a city right now. Thus I gave the city to Clais who immediately fell in love with me according to his approval rating.

My exploits attracted another Lord. To give him something useful to do I besieged another castle. That castle had hardly any garrison left, thanks to my ongoing campaign of beating up the Khanate armies before they can get dangerous. I also made it a policy to let friendly faces go free (making them more friendly) and putting douchebags in prison (making them more angry). My hope is that at some point one of the friendly faces might consider joining me rather than being torn to shreds.

My eyes are now on the city of Tulga, where the Khan himself resides. But first I have to take the castles surrounding it. As soon as I can be sure nothing can stab my back I go in for the kill. Luckily the Sarranids are locked in a war with the Rhodoks while the Vaegirs have their ongoing struggle against the Nords and Swadia seems to be happy to go to war with everyone who looks at them funny. I hope that their wars will keep them distracted from me getting to power.

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Me too, and I had to stop with Charisma at 15 because my character was so weak, she couldn't even train the peasants.
I also went to 15 charisma before investing some points in strength, agility and intelligence. Now I put my points in charisma again, as well as some in int.

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The other bad news is my followers have dispersed when I was in prison and I can't find them again, so I lose all their bonuses too..
The travellers can't tell you where to look for them?

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Sounds interesting all right, but I don't have that one. I'd imagine that if you get 30 people with muskets the volleys must be very satisfying!
I still prefer Warband, seems to be just the best overall package. Even though I sometimes wish for a musket :P
One thing that's annoying about F&S is that they didn't really improve the interface, instead they made it worse. In villages you can go straight to the village elder directly, allright. But there are a lot of towns with walls around them where it takes 3 extra clicks just to get to the city menu. And there the position of everything is not consistent. Sometimes the market place is on the bottom, sometimes in the middle, sometimes even on top. Who thought that was a good idea?

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I have to admit, this game has sucked me back in to a good extent. Now I just need to grab that pesky Vaegir castle again...
Good luck!

update: after posting I went on and captured another castle, thus I now have 3 castles, 1 town and a handful of villages. The Khanate rolled over and offered peace, which I accepted and resulted in me getting 'right to rule'. Looks like my military might finally makes a dent in the established kingdoms. Let's see if the Kings finally accept me as equal. However, my plans to seize Tulga are just on postponed, not cancelled. I want Tulga, it is supposed to me MINE!
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:06 PM   #17
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Re: Mount & Blade

Im still playing, just about. I've taken three castles and lost them all again - my timing is bad, as the Vaegirs are usually between wars and turn up en masse to claim them back.

I now have up to ninety men, as a result of the latest tactic of recruiting Swadian knights and whaling on the Vaegir armies. Previously I was using primarily Nord infantry in a ground war.

This game is tough, but I'm still impressed after all these years - if they could bottle what makes Mount and Blade great and apply it to some other games, I'd be happy.

Trying to achieve a happy balance now - cavalry are great in the field, but won't take or hold a castle. I may just pound on the Vaegirs some more to get my troop complement over one hundred, and maybe open another Dyeworks for the lulz.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:41 PM   #18
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I now have two cities and three castles, along with half a dozen villages. After I seized the third castle and second city the Khanate didn't even attemt to take it back. Since they are constantly under attack by either the Swadians or Rhodok they seem to have their hands full with holding the little they still have left (one city, two castles and four villages).

I am now pondering if I should start another war against the Khanate. However, I quite like them being a buffer state between me and the warcrazy Swadians (seriously: they are constantly at war, often enough with 2 kingdoms at a time) and Rhodoks. Also, my policy of leaving captured commanders often go free meant many of the Khergit commanders are now considered my friends, hence they are unlikely to attack me, compared to everyone else (except Vaegir, with whom I also have surprisingly good relations and who are at constant warfare with either the Nords or Swadians).

I don't have a border with the Nords (which also are at war with Swadia all the time), Rhodoks (usually at war with Sarranids or Swadians) and the Swadians (at war at all times with everyone who looks at them funny). That leaves the Sarranid as my natural next target. The town of Narra lies so nice and close, cut off from the rest of the sultanate, apart from a castle nearby...
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Trying to achieve a happy balance now - cavalry are great in the field, but won't take or hold a castle. I may just pound on the Vaegirs some more to get my troop complement over one hundred, and maybe open another Dyeworks for the lulz.
I opened mainly breweries. I have a brewery in every second city by now. My army is usually a mix of 1/3 of each: cavalry, infantry, archers. Once I figured out how commanding works my usual tactic is (after commanding everyone to stop immediately):
* Infantry shall stand it's ground
* Archers shall fire at will
* Cavalry follow me to a nearby hill (or at least a bit to the side)
I let the enemy come in range of the archers and order my cavalry to charge from the side, while my infantry holds the first charge. Then my infantry charges and after some smashing and cutting my cavalry runs over enemy archers (if necessary).

For sieges I pack my best infantry (Nord huscarls, Vaegir guards, everything else with a 'Nord' in the name) and cavalry with heavy armor in front (Swadian knights, sword sisters) and lots of archers and Rhodok crossbowmen in the back.

For bandit hunting I run around with cavalry only. The bandits usually lack the numbers, gear and anything else to be a threat.

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Something else I noticed is that two of my Lords have a negative 'relationship to Liege'. What does this say and at what value do I have to get worried?
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:04 AM   #19
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Still haven't started a war against the Sarranids. Still gathering an army. Currently I have about 60 Swadian Knights and 60 Sword Sisters ready to go. But for the upcoming sieges I want more Nord Huscarls.

I also tried some mods. First of all Diplomacy, which is supposed to give more options and make realm-management easier, but just confused me tenfold. Then I had a look at Freelancer, which has nothing to do with the Space Opera from Microsoft. It's about not having a warband yourself, but being employed as soldier for one of the countless Lords, Jarls, Emirs etc.

To try out Freelancer I created a new character, Conan. He looks slightly like someone who could be called Arnold. First thing was of course being attacked by a dozen deserters as soon as I left Sargoth, where I started the game. My until that point 2 recruits got slaughtered, I got captured. After escaping I was out for revenge and attacked the remaining 8 deserters alone. It was a long and bloody fight, which I won due to superior mobility (i.e. a horse). I got more recruits and was immediately attacked by Sea Raiders. They slaughtered my recruits, of course, but piece by piece I could beat the Sea Raiders. Again without men, I was ambushed by Looters. Thanks to the Sea Raiders I had quite good Equipment by now and killed all 14 looters who dared to attack Conan with sticks and rocks.

Slaughtering my way back to Sargoth I could do the opening Quests and ended up with some money and after a successful tournament I was invited to the feast where I went into service for Jarl Haeda. Not without flirting with his sister, Lady Bergit. That I talked to his sister without his prior approval angered Jarl, and him being my current boss I expected the worst straight away. I went on the first campaign with him against Vaegir troops. Two battles and some time in the garrison later I was already considered a Nord Veteran. During my leave I was sneaking to Lady Bergit, who asked me quite straightforward if I want to marry her. I didn't even need the poem I studied. Well, that was easy... if only Jarl Haeda wasn't so annoyed about it. His approval towards me plummeted again.

While my fiance is preparing the wedding feast, I went on a mission for King Ragnar to deliver a letter. I was ambushed (again!) by Vaegir deserters. Their 14 against my 11. Their 14 were elite-cavalry with heavy armor, lances and war horses. My 11 consisted of 4 crossbow wielding mercenaries, the rest was peasants. It was a massacre. At the end of the battle, Conan was the last one standing, surrounded by bodies of friend and foe alike.

I'm starting to see a pattern here...
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:01 AM   #20
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Freelancer, eh? So you actually control a small warband, separate to your Lord's army? You don't just fight as an anonymous soldier in the ranks?

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Currently I have about 60 Swadian Knights and 60 Sword Sisters ready to go.
How are you paying for them? You must own every brewery in Calradia by now?
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:34 AM   #21
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Freelancer, eh? So you actually control a small warband, separate to your Lord's army?
No, you are part of his army. So you're not walking across the world map yourself. Wherever it goes, why and when is just up to the respective Lord. You also get the equipment provided by your Lord according to rank. As a recruit it's just some ragged armor and a bent spear, as warrior some chainmail and an axe and so on. When you leave the service of your Lord equipment is taken away again. Also, while you're with the lord no upkeep is paid for your own warband. It's not as drastic as being a mercenary in native, since the negative reputation with each faction is restored to neutral level as soon as the service is over and it's no problem to leave.

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Currently I get about 10k per week, due to various businesses and rents from my city and villages. That's 10k per week after paying for my armies upkeep.
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Old 05-09-2012, 06:43 AM   #22
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After the Sarranid Sultanate started wars with the Khergit Khanate and the Swadians I realized it's getting time for me to start moving. I waited patiently for all three parties to smash against each other. When the Sultanate captured a castle near my capital in a long and costly siege, I knew my moment to strike was here.

I declared war on the Sultanate and laid siege on the castle myself, capturing it in no time. Jeremus only needed 8 hours to get the siege ladders ready, compared to the 30 hours it took me to lay siege on the other castles I captured so far. I pushed back one attempt to retake the castle straight away and two Sarranid armies that were wandering around my territory.

This was when I realized how differently the factions wage war. While the Khergits were always ferociously attacking and every battle resulted in chaos, the Sultanate troops are much more disciplined. They use terrain and cover better and are not afraid of waiting in defensive positions for me to attack when outnumbered.

The retaliation strike was a siege on Malayurg castle, the first castle I claimed for myself, hence birthplace of my kingdom. I am aware that it was probably just random. But I like to think it was a result of cunning planning by the Emirs, trying to beat me at the place where all began. Would they be able to teach me little upstart a lesson?

Accompanied by Lord Clais and Lord Mirchaud I attacked the Sarranid forces, resulting in the largest land battle of this war. The victory cost me some good troops but I still had enough for the big prize: the town Narra. I laid siege on Narra and within hours the ladder was ready. The defenders were superior in numbers but unexperienced. They were no match to the elite troops I fielded, consisting of Nord Huscarls, Swadian Knights, Sword Sisters, Vaegir Marksmen, Rhodok Sergeants and Sharpshooters.

After the battle was over, the Sultanate immediately asked for peace. I accepted and so the war was over after just about 3 days. Three days during which I captured a castle, a town and three villages.
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Sounds like you have become unstoppable at this point; it may only be a matter of time before you start imposing RPG-ish restrictions on yourself - for example only using one faction's troops, restricting your land army to infantry only, etc.

It will be interesting to see if the game can throw anything at you that will affect things, not sure it will though.
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Oh I'm pretty sure I'd reach my limit the second I'd put the damage to my character to full

Since it happens occasionally that I get caught out of position by some mean knight with a lance and a good hit with a lance does crazy damage.

The focus of the game also changed a bit to politics and faction struggles. I don't want to wage war at more than 1 front, since I only have very few lords. If I'd take more lords I'd have to deal with them being unhappy quite quickly as soon as I hand out fiefs. Compared to the other kingdoms around I have a extremely low amount of vassals and therefore troops. I now cover what is pretty much the starting area of the Khergit Khanate and divided it among just 4 lords and myself. The Khanate now has only 1 castle, 1 town and the respective villages left and has double the amount of Noyans.

My role-playing was so far being a "champion of the common people". No looting of villages (I let Clais attack one village to lure out armies, but that was just a ruse), no raiding of caravans and no killing of innocents. When asked about the ideas I have about ruling the kindom, I also make the point for the same rights for commoners. Hence my army has a lot of Sword Sisters (coming from humble peasant roots) and Mercenaries (originally being farmers) make up quite a big part of my garrisons.

If it would be an option I'd not have nobles altogether, but until now they're a necessary evil in my socialist utopia
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When you wipe out a race - ok, it's not really genocide, you're just disenfranchising its noblemen - all the lords and ladies randomly join the other factions, including yours.

In regard to roleplaying a peasant, Native Expansion had a nice take on that - there were two tiers of troops, peasant and noble, and you could only recruit the nobles when you became a noble yourself, either as a vassal or by taking a fief. It was cool.
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So... once I'd grab a fief I could recruit nobles anyway? Thus at the point I am now that wouldn't be much of a restriction anymore

Do the npc factions wipe out each other, or will a faction always remain at it's last town or castle until the player kicks in?

I'm asking because the Khanate is at constant warfare with all it's neighbours and still manages to hold on to it's last town.
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So... once I'd grab a fief I could recruit nobles anyway? Thus at the point I am now that wouldn't be much of a restriction anymore
Well, yes....but you'd be roleplaying a Spartacus type, so you wouldn't recruit any of those decadent noble troops, right?

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I'm asking because the Khanate is at constant warfare with all it's neighbours and still manages to hold on to it's last town.
I don't know, to be honest. They wouldn't be able to wipe each other out in the original game without your help, but they're a lot more agressive in Warband. Swadia is down to one city too in my game.

The AI will now put a priority on the Khergs reclaiming their traditional lands, whether this aggressiveness will result in their downfall, I don't know.

The way you wipe out a faction, is as well as taking all their fiefs, you then have to hunt down all the lord parties on the map - it's only when they don't have a home fief to respawn in that they disappear from the game (for a while).
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To roleplay a Spartacus-type I'd need gladiators! Tons of gladiators...

At the moment I don't have any intention of wiping out the Khanate, since it's drawing a lot of unwanted attention to itself. On the other hand I'm getting a bit annoyed since nobody wants to pick a war with me. But I don't want to threaten peasants (which would not fit Spartacus ) until one realm is getting annoyed enough. How do I get other kingdoms to hate me without being rude myself?
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