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ZippyDSMlee 03-02-2013 12:50 PM

Sony...is it so hard.....
 
I figure 150-200 for a PS3 hardware with BWC and tweaks(scanline and deinterlacing options) and 150-200 for the PS4 hardware.

Link up the video/sound hardware from the PS3/PS2/PS1 via some form of adaptation or emulation to use the video and sound hardware on the PS4 to cut back on doubling the video and sound hardware.

Even if you do not do this you still are within the 400$ price range.

This would be the best thing going and yet they want to sell a new console that is highly limited for over 100$.......its time to put down the controller and go softly into that dark night sony....

And it would even be cheaper for the Next box to do this.......

gamevet 03-02-2013 02:04 PM

Re: Sony...is it so hard.....
 
If only it was that easy. The PS3's Cell processor is based on IBM's Power PC, while the new hardware is going to be x86 architecture.

ZippyDSMlee 03-02-2013 02:11 PM

Re: Sony...is it so hard.....
 
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Originally Posted by gamevet (Post 205817)
If only it was that easy. The PS3's Cell processor is based on IBM's Power PC, while the new hardware is going to be x86 architecture.

So rig a converter to the video hardware? A whole PS3 is in there converting it over the to the X86 video/audio via prue hardware or pass through is very doable and the PS1-2 can be done on the PS4 end of things.

gamevet 03-02-2013 05:13 PM

Re: Sony...is it so hard.....
 
It's not like that at all. The x86 hardware operates with a different instruction set. It's like putting a Blu-ray drive inside of a DVD player and expecting the hardware to work.

ZippyDSMlee 03-02-2013 06:15 PM

Re: Sony...is it so hard.....
 
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Originally Posted by gamevet (Post 205819)
It's not like that at all. The x86 hardware operates with a different instruction set. It's like putting a Blu-ray drive inside of a DVD player and expecting the hardware to work.

Not really in this case you you layer the PS3 and run vid/audio through a pass though. The PS3 layer works like a PS3 but has the OSD(dashbaord/whatever) above it controls are piped though a simple converter device that allows for instant use of USB devices to the PS3 layer.


Basically the PS4 runs the PS3 like a person would since the hardware of the PS3 is whole. ho I bet it would be easy enough to convert just the video/audio output to the newer PS4 audio/video hardware. But when all else fails pass it threw. LOL

gamevet 03-02-2013 07:54 PM

Re: Sony...is it so hard.....
 
They already did a simular setup with the 60 gig PS3. It was expensive, because they had to basically build a PS2 within the PS3. They were later able to emulate the Emotion Engine (CPU) of the PS2, but it had issues. They would later remove all of the hardware that made it possible for the PS3 act like a PS2, without tweaking emulation for each title.

Yes, it can be done, with the inclusion of the Cell processor, but Sony's aim with the PS4 was to eliminate any added costs to the hardware, like they had with the PS3 at launch.

ZippyDSMlee 03-02-2013 11:55 PM

Re: Sony...is it so hard.....
 
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Originally Posted by gamevet (Post 205821)
They already did a simular setup with the 60 gig PS3. It was expensive, because they had to basically build a PS2 within the PS3. They were later able to emulate the Emotion Engine (CPU) of the PS2, but it had issues. They would later remove all of the hardware that made it possible for the PS3 act like a PS2, without tweaking emulation for each title.

Yes, it can be done, with the inclusion of the Cell processor, but Sony's aim with the PS4 was to eliminate any added costs to the hardware, like they had with the PS3 at launch.

The trouble is at 30$ for the PS3 to do PS2 it was easily affordable(and if they went with a X86 setup it would have been 100-150 cheaper easily), with the PS4 you are looking at 400 no matter what you do making it anti consumer and limiting your install base is only a reasonable option if the console is 150 or cheaper since its made to be disposable after 3 or 5 years.....

Also let me bounce this idea off you, model 2 PS3, the only thing different in it than other newer PS3s is that its smaller, has USB 3 port, dose not have a power supply in it and can communicate with the PS4 so you can have one OSD setup. Its made to be stackable with the PS4 taking up less space than the fat PS3. Its fully stand alone so you can replace your SKU units out in the would with it, price is 250$.

It hooks up to the PS4 via a simple spliter cable for USB 3, video and audio, this pack could be sold for 60$. The USB 3 port is used mainly for a HDD connection with the PS4, so one HDD to save on space.

One set of hook ups to save on space one power brink to rule them all. This way you ca have the option of an all in one streamlined setup at virtually twice the cost.

I also would not mind an all in one PS"X" ation for PSX-PS3 games, do some tweaks and what not and sell it for 299, this can replace the normal PS3 over time but its production is 1/8th that of the PS4 so you are not really wasting money and the unit is sold above cost so you make money on the sales.

I think at the end of the day thats more doable and the price point is as such its not going to harm PS4 sales any. It also uses the same OSD as the PS4 and many things on PSN can be used on the it.

Basically every new generation you build a new all in one unit above cost and launch it after the newest console is launched. This way you do not burden the newest console any while maintaining a form of BWC.


I still think having a new console with BWC no matter the price is the correct direction to go in, it just can do no harm. As you get an attach rate bonus for new games by older gamers who have a 200$ game collection.

ggaaa I am rabmleing ranting ><

gamevet 03-03-2013 01:00 AM

Re: Sony...is it so hard.....
 
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Originally Posted by ZippyDSMlee (Post 205827)
The trouble is at 30$ for the PS3 to do PS2 it was easily affordable(and if they went with a X86 setup it would have been 100-150 cheaper easily), with the PS4 you are looking at 400 no matter what you do making it anti consumer and limiting your install base is only a reasonable option if the console is 150 or cheaper since its made to be disposable after 3 or 5 years.....

The console(PS3) was already losing over $200 a unit for Sony. The added $30 was not easily affordable. Sony sells 5 million of those units, at an additional $150,000,000 in losses.

Sony and MS went with CPUs that were beyond the current offerings from Intel and AMD with their Dual-Core CPUs, back in 2005-2006. That isn't the case this time around, because the consoles alone weren't making profits. They had to make back the losses through software sales and services like PSN and LIVE.

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Also let me bounce this idea off you, model 2 PS3, the only thing different in it than other newer PS3s is that its smaller, has USB 3 port, dose not have a power supply in it and can communicate with the PS4 so you can have one OSD setup. Its made to be stackable with the PS4 taking up less space than the fat PS3. Its fully stand alone so you can replace your SKU units out in the would with it, price is 250$.
There's a whole lot more difference between the 1st model PS3 and the 4th model we see today. The latest edition PS3 has replaced the expensive XDR Ram with DDR3, as well as a cheaper Blu-Ray drive, a Cell CPU that has reduced size and a cheaper power supply.





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I still think having a new console with BWC no matter the price is the correct direction to go in, it just can do no harm. As you get an attach rate bonus for new games by older gamers who have a 200$ game collection.

ggaaa I am rabmleing ranting ><
The PS2 was the 1st home console to have BC out of the box. Nintendo and Sega didn't do it and MS only did it with their 360 (Xbox BC), through buggy software emulation.

I have a BC PS3 and I've rarely used its BC functions to play PS2 games. If I buy a PS4, I'm pretty sure it will be the same for me if it did include BC with the PS3.


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